troo fan or death
12 months is a drop in the ocean in any business or industry. newly launched products and services can have a healthy year or two but that doesn't always translate to longevity. from what i can see, new 52 began to plateau at around the 8 month mark which puts rebirth ahead in terms of success but i would hold out until the rebirth meta narrative has played out before even thinking about making a call on its continued success.
i know that rebirth has touched a chord with a lot of disgruntled fans and the idea of its success is validating for you/them/those/they. i don't have any particular dog in this fight, so i'll just keep it boring and factual for now.
this recent article is a good read. most of it is about some guy named spencer, but the closing paragraph is much wisdoms.
But Spencer is right about another thing. If the comics are being returned and the sales numbers are back to pre-Rebirth numbers already, that doesn’t bode well for the long-term success of DC’s Rebirth. Whether that says something about DC Rebirth itself, or about the overall event and reboot/relaunch cycle that Spencer’s own employer, Marvel, is an even worse offender at than DC, is up for debate though. And if DC’s meat-and-potato-focused Rebirth event is such a poor example to follow, why is Marvel copying it later this year with a “meat and potatoes” relaunch of their own? There’s something rotten in the state of comics — we agree — but the smell is coming from both Marvel and DC, as far as we can tell.
troo fan or death
that's certainly one interpretation. i took it more as the jury is still out over rebirth's long term success and that even if we're getting warm fuzzies about the return of wally west, to keep in mind that both marvel and dc are locked in an event/reboot/relaunch/bigsomething cycle and it's just the label that changes (all new all different/back to basics/rebirth/ meat and potatoes)...i didn't necessarily get that it was heralding the big crunch of the industry though.So, the moral of the story is that the comics industry is dying and everyone is using cheap gimmicks to delay the death rattle?
troo fan or death
here, so I guess we have something to compare the thread to.
The bolded part, that's the reason I avoid most comics, given that I don't like that set up.
How is the Illumaniati making people forget anything at all like Crisis? What they did was a story element that changed peoples memory. It still happened. Crisis literaly changed the past so no one, wit a very few exceptions, knew there had ever been other universes or that they were destroyed. What they did were people specifically forgetting his identity and changed digital recordings. It still happened. The difference there should be obvious to anyone.
Actually that aspect was more adressed in one of the satalite titles. Extra or family maybe? Dont really remember but it ended with Peter and Harry playing ball together.
This thread made me make an account.
The marriage attracted me to the character as a kid, and Renew Your Vows is the first Spider-man comic I bought since pre-One More Day. This is from my Roger Stern Omnibus, and it pretty much describes why I liked Spider-man as a kid.
Last edited by Fearless Heart; 03-21-2017 at 06:43 PM.
Courtesy of Comichron, here are the sales numbers:
Amazing Spider-Man #546 - 146,170 (this was the penultimate chapter to One More Day)
Now let's look at 2017...
Amazing Spider-Man #23 - 73,773
Sales on ASM are down 72,397--a drop of roughly 50% from pre-BND.
Looks like a lot less people are buying ASM now, by the tens of thousands.
And I think it is safe to say that Marvel is aware of that, too.
Last edited by Blackest Knight; 03-22-2017 at 10:55 AM.
i once cared about the marriage. i don't anymore and my comics are still enjoyable. for film and television, romance is needed. within comics, for me personally, i don't think that it is integral to story telling. i read the first issue of RYW. it was pretty good, just waiting on the trade right now to see how the first arc goes.
but for now i will keep reading ASM and SM/DP.
For example, let's add in Ultimate Spider-Man's sales in 2007. In September 2007 (when ASM hit a peak of 146k), sales on USM (which had 2 issues that month) were at 67,445 and 66,662. That's 134,107 copies sold for USM plus 146,170 for ASM.
Grand total? 280,277 copies. That's almost 300,000 Spidey books sold for just those 2 books combined in just one month of 2007.
In January 2017, the totals are:
ASM - 73,773
Clone Conspiracy - 54,947
SM - 47.517
Grand total? 176,237.
280,277 minus 176,237 = a drop of 104,040 copies a month.
We could look at other months, but so far all the numbers from Comichron show sales on Spider-Man books are down by the tens of thousands.