Is Bruce to be blamed for Jason's actions ?

[Nite-Wing]

Jason had terrible parents and would have been dead before he was 20 on the street like he was
With Bruce he ended up dead before he was 20 but at least he learned how to fight and kill people that's the most important thing right?

[Aahz]

I don't know how they write him in his book, the red hood and the outlaws. I don't follow that cause i believe it doesn't worth the money but the Jason who was written by Dennis O'Neil doesn't act very smart in the pages which were shown in the documantery and that's my basis of Jason. I wish i knew the exact issue numbers or which trade those issues were collected but i don't. If i knew, i would get them, they looked pretty good. :/

Dennis O'Neil never wrote him he was the editor.

And even Death of the Family showed Jason to be actually quite smart and competent.

[Batarang]

Dennis O'Neil never wrote him he was the editor.

And even Death of the Family showed Jason to be actually quite smart and competent.

oh, i thought he wrote lol I'm not saying he's incompetent, i'm just saying he's not as smart as the rest of the bat family.

[Aahz]

oh, i thought he wrote lol I'm not saying he's incompetent, i'm just saying he's not as smart as the rest of the bat family.

He is not as smart as "smart guys" of the family, but I don't see any proof for him being not as smart as Dick.

[dietrich]

Jason had terrible parents and would have been dead before he was 20 on the street like he was
With Bruce he ended up dead before he was 20 but at least he learned how to fight and kill people that's the most important thing right?

With Bruce he also earned a second chance at life and with that second chance he has saved countless lives

[dietrich]

What happened to Jason wasn't because he was excessively angry or because he was a bad robin. Anyone can get angry and anyone can disobey orders. What happened to Jason happened because his parents were awful and he ended up on the street where he was picked up by Bruce.

Robins are always in peril but to be fair we don't know what would have happened if he stayed on the streets.
Maybe he would have turned his life around
Maybe he would be in Jail
Maybe he would have been picked up by someone far worse. Some sickco like Pyg and turned into a dollatron

Regardless it wasn't Bruce's fault and Jason wasn't bad.

[Batarang]

He is not as smart as "smart guys" of the family, but I don't see any proof for him being not as smart as Dick.

Dick is a good leader so this shows he's a good tacticion. I don't think Jason has as much of a tactical intelegence as Dick but i think they are somewhat equal at detective skills where Bruce and Tim are exceptional but the jason in my head after what i saw is like he is irretional and anger gets the best of him when it comes to tactical thinking departmant. He just out right strikes rather than make a tactic about his strike and stuff kind of reminds me Wolverine. I think Jason and Wolverine are equally smart. And ofcouse we probably have our different opinions about the same characters cause you know comics are not the most consistantly written things.

[Aahz]

Dick is a good leader so this shows he's a good tacticion. I don't think Jason has as much of a tactical intelegence as Dick but i think they are somewhat equal at detective skills where Bruce and Tim are exceptional but the jason in my head after what i saw is like he is irretional and anger gets the best of him when it comes to tactical thinking departmant.

Jason is not a leader but appart from this Under the Red Hood or his arc in Green Arrow show him as quite good tactician imo, and Dick is also mostly an improviser (and didn't manage to take down Blockbuster for 90+ issues).

[Godlike13]

And yet he took down Jason in just 3.

[Batarang]

Jason is not a leader but appart from this Under the Red Hood or his arc in Green Arrow show him as quite good tactician imo, and Dick is also mostly an improviser (and didn't manage to take down Blockbuster for 90+ issues).

I read Under The Red Hood like 14 years ago or something so my memory is kind of blury but yeah, Jason kind of used a tactic in it and that was to take over the underworld of Gotham to control all crime or something... I don't say he can't make any tactics but actually the kid i saw as Robin won't make much tactic but in this incarnation, he made a tactic which didn't work very well. Ok, we read a same version and different versions so we have different opinions on the character. I can't really buy in to him being a tacticion that much, you believe he's a good tacticion because of those. As i said before different opinions on the same character because of inconsistant writing. This kind of things happen.

I don't know about Blockbuster couse DC didn't collect Nightwing against Blockbuster issues properly in trade the first time around... But 90 + issues seems very long. As far as i remember Blockbuster was in Nightwing maximum 4 volumes or something like that and the issues where Nightwing took him down never made it to the trade... I don't know the new Nightwing trades of Dixon run, may be they will have them all.

And yet he took down Jason in just 3.

where did it happen ?

[Aioros22]

Bruce isn't to blame. His rubbish parents are to blame Bruce isn't a social worker nor does he owe Jason anything. Sure he could have given him therapy and found him a nice stable home but he wouldn't have been out on the streets stealing to survive if not for his parents.

That`s the other extreme I was writting behind the lines. Playing the blame game is meh but at the same time disregarding responsabilities to characters involved is a bit iffy to me. Case in point: Bruce owned Jason what he owned by embracing him in the life he did. But like I said, it`s both good and bad.

Jason`s foster mother is the least to blame. She`s never written as anything other than a loving mother who got sick too soon and couldn`t take care of him anymore. His father is another story, tho.

[Aioros22]

I don't know how they write him in his book, the red hood and the outlaws. I don't follow that cause i believe it doesn't worth the money but the Jason who was written by Dennis O'Neil doesn't act very smart in the pages which were shown in the documantery and that's my basis of Jason. I wish i knew the exact issue numbers or which trade those issues were collected but i don't. If i knew, i would get them, they looked pretty good. :/

Documentary? What documentary?

No offense muchacho but you don`t seem to know the character...one bit. Or is that my Saturday impression?

[Aioros22]

And yet he took down Jason in just 3.

Dick loses +5 pts of health at every turn against dumb bricks who sell their soul to get the smart protein.

[Batarang]

I tell you something baloney, hero Jason. He should have stayed as a villain. He had a purpose as a villain. Now, what does he have ? he has a shitty book and he's in Batfamily doing what ? being a wall flower, Batman would never accept a murderer as his ally... Jason being in the Bat family is such a bad writting, it's unbelievebale.

[Assam]

I tell you something baloney, hero Jason. He should have stayed as a villain. He had a purpose as a villain. Now, what does he have ? he has a shitty book and he's in Batfamily doing what ? being a wall flower, Batman would never accept a murderer as his ally... Jason being in the Bat family is such a bad writting, it's unbelievebale.

See, I'm a Jason fan, not a big one, he's my least favorite currently of the 5 main Robins, but speaking as someone who likes him, I don't have a problem with him using guns. Mostly because I don't give half a crap about what Bruce thinks, and Jason has proven to be rather effective. That said, I would have preferred to if he'd stayed dead. Not because of who his character is now, but because his character had MORE meaning as the symbol that not everyone who comes into the Batfam is gonna end up okay.