I totally agree with this. It's much more meaningful. This or being villain, a mistake of Batman so to be one of proofs that Batman is not a merry sue and in my personal fanstasy Jason should have stayed villain and ended up in suicide squade, now that would be awesome. I can totally see him be an interesting partner to Deadshot. I have this image in my mind that both Red Hood and Deadshot standing back to back pointing their guns in a gun fight. It looks pretty cool to me. He can use guns, rifles or whatever he wants in suicide squade but not in bat family...
Last edited by Batarang; 03-18-2017 at 11:17 AM.
Always happy to see someone thinks the same. Jason's death could have been an important part of Batman's character developement making him a better mentor, father and hero but instead Jason's death feels like any other superhero death in comics - meaningless. There was also the recent Batman issue where the boys were making fun of dying like in a bad fanfiction. It was a little bit funny but it also proved how meaningless death is in comics.
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Um, you know his son is a murderer, right? Like, I'm pretty sure Damian has killed more people than Jason. Also Alfred has DEFINITELY killed some guys in his time.
Also, are you reading the current RHatO title? Cause while, yes, the entire New52 book was shit, the current book is actually one of the best rebirth titles.
This is good beyond my expectations lol Deadshot and Red Hood are belong together... It's something only a marksman can understand poor catman. lol
Damian... yeah, this is why i'm like what happend to gun hating Batman who is totally not tolareting both guns and killing... But Damian doesn't carry a gun at least. Batman should be like GUNS !!!! not under my watch ! lol and no killing !...
I wait for an omnibus or deluxes for titles like that. For example i hear great things about Priest's Deathstroke so if it's really that good, it will get deluxes or an omnibus and i will be there to get them. Same goes for the rest.
Last edited by Batarang; 03-18-2017 at 11:43 AM.
Bruce is not to be blamed. Jason had a rough life even before he met Bruce. And after his death, he went through some pretty horrible things. His life has never been easy. When he first came back to Gotham Jason blamed everyone. Now, he has accepted his life and takes responsibility for his actions and it's made him a better man.
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You don't take a kid with issues from the streets, put him in a costume and then be suprised that he end up with more issues.
Bruce might have good intentions, but there's no denying that he end up dooming him and he's responsible for what happened since Jason was a kid who was under his care. So no, Batman isn't completely blameless.
And besides, Flashpoint proved that Jason would have turned out ok with a good life if he never crossed paths with Batman.
Last edited by Rise; 03-18-2017 at 02:00 PM.
I respect your opinion about Jason's death and its symbolism, but as someone who got into comics because of the Batman Under the Red Hood movie back in 2011 and a huge Red Hood fan since then, I say Jason's resurrection was one of the best things DC did.
As for Bruce and Jason, they both have to be held responsible for their actions. Jason isn't a child anymore and follows his own path, it took a while but he and Bruce have established a good relationship. Bruce won't try to stop Jason from using guns or killing enemies (something he rarely does nowadays anyway) and Jason won't try to convince him to kill the Joker, they moved beyond that and that's a good thing. Character development is always welcome in my book.
Damian is a child and the current Robin, so obviously Batman will force his moral code on him. Also, I don't think Bruce's problem with guns makes him such a hypocrite that he considers a gunshot worse that a blade's slashing. What is worse? Getting gunned down or stabbed to death?
Both are guilty in some way.
We can blame Bruce for putting Jason in the battle instead of help him by other ways due Jason' hard life. It's supossed that Bruce is the adult here, so all Jason actions are part of his responsabilty when Jason was Robin, in more or less degree.
It's true that Jason accepts to be Robin, he took that decision in the end, and the job have risks that Jason already knew. But Jason was a kid, he didn't have enough maturity and mentallity by his own to make that decision, so again it's Bruce fault because he's the adult here and he should know that.
So yes, Jason's actions as a Robin and his death are Bruce's responsability.
After his death, Jason's actions are only his own responsibility. He made their own decissions. And he can't blame Bruce for his death, not totally, because after all it was him and only him who made the decision to be Robin, although it was Bruce's fault to let him did that. He can't use that excuse to avoid the impact of his own decissions in his life.
In the end, they just tried to do the things the best they could, that's all.
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