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    re: the realism of the fight between RF and Batman, it seems that RF was there for a very specific purpose and Batman wasn't it. He beat Batman up because he's a sadist and because Batman kept the fight going, not because it was his goal or necessary for his goal.

    Batman probably should have done the old grizzly bear encounter tactic of lying down and playing dead. But that's not Batman.

    The question is: What was RF's goal? Did he destroy the letter because it was his goal or as a random act of vandalism? Did he pick up the button because it was his goal or because he was curious once he saw it? Or both?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rikdad View Post
    The question is: What was RF's goal? Did he destroy the letter because it was his goal or as a random act of vandalism? Did he pick up the button because it was his goal or because he was curious once he saw it? Or both?
    I thought something was mentioned about the button "calling" to him. And he ripped up the letter just because he's a dick.
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    Something weird that I noticed is the coloring of Batman's costume. It is blue and gray. I always associate that coloring with light heartedness with Batman and DC has been making Batman dark during the past decade or so.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rikdad View Post
    re: the realism of the fight between RF and Batman, it seems that RF was there for a very specific purpose and Batman wasn't it. He beat Batman up because he's a sadist and because Batman kept the fight going, not because it was his goal or necessary for his goal.

    Batman probably should have done the old grizzly bear encounter tactic of lying down and playing dead. But that's not Batman.

    The question is: What was RF's goal? Did he destroy the letter because it was his goal or as a random act of vandalism? Did he pick up the button because it was his goal or because he was curious once he saw it? Or both?
    I think Reverse Flash is simply a sadist. This is the same one from Flashpoint, right? Everything he did in that book was to hurt Barry Allen. He is aware of Batman, and how the Flashpoint universe's Batman killed him, but his interest is always in Barry Allen. Doesn't mean he can't take a few minutes for some random sadism towards the son of the man who killed him.

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    About the Western Conference thing:

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    I got to the end of Batman #21 frustrated or feeling incomplete. First of all, besides, the logic of the foot stab, the Batman stalemate with Reverse Flash was very unconvincing as presented. Also, this was all tease for Rebirth revamping with no proper footnoting or prepping readers for a cosmic level story which is extremely atypical/undemanded of happening in this book or 'Tec - except for that grabber cover.

    The Saturn Girl stuff was interesting only because I know who she is and know what a bum steer the LSH has gotten from DC for years now. Also the panel layout during the countdown was fine, especially with the duplicated seconds count every so often to detail the speed. But those are minor positives along with the fine artwork.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rikdad View Post
    Batman probably should have done the old grizzly bear encounter tactic of lying down and playing dead. But that's not Batman.
    Also Batman was trying to keep RF in the room until Barry showed up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bat39 View Post
    On the whole, a great start to the story-arc.

    I loved the Batman vs. Reverse-Flash fight, particularly the way Batman managed to find a way to 'outwit' Thawne with the 'stab him in the foot' gambit. I also liked Batman's assertion that he didn't need to win...he just needed to keep Thawne occupied long enough for Flash to show up. A more 'realistic' take on Batman fighting superhumans arguably.

    I actually liked the hockey game thing. Since it was tied to Saturn Girl's plot, her 'predictions' coming true kinda spoke to the nature of time and the immutability of fate in some cases...both of which are themes that will no doubt be explored as this Rebirth story continues to pan out. I also liked that it was the reason for Barry to be late - not only from a narrative perspective, but also because stopping off for a few seconds to see if he can help a dying sportsman seems a very 'Barry Allen'-ish thing to do!
    +1 This is pretty much how I felt. Great start to the arc...
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    It's really annoying that DC knew they were going to do this and that there are tricky copyright conditions around the iconic smiley face that Watchmen is best known for. Yet they put it on the lenticular covers even though they couldn't sell those covers outside the US without paying a lot more money. WTF? And to add to the cock-up, my LCS in New Zealand received the non-lenticular versions with the smiley faces on them. What the actual hell? You'd think that for an important story in the Rebirth arc that DC would put more thought and consideration into how it was packaged and delivered.

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