The New52 actually moved away from Superman/Lois Lane entirely.
Surely not everybody was kung fu fighting
And, yeah, the fact that Lois was removed as a romantic interest from his life? Yeah, that's actually part of what made Nuperman NOT feel like the real Superman.
And what's more is that 95% of the New 52 Superman material was just badly written garbage. Lobdell's run was trash, Morrison's run was overrated crap that hardly made sense, and literally nothing else even stood out among the Superman material that was published during the New 52. The only times that New 52 Superman wasn't a chore to read was when either Pak or Johns was writing him, but even then in the case of the former, he was drawn into lame crossover after lame crossover to the point where it turned what could have been a good run into something that was barely of note.
So...still think I haven't read it?
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Favorite Mythologies: Green Lantern, Batman (pre-Flashpoint), Spider-Man, The Fantastic Four, the Justice League/JLA (pre-Flashpoint)
DC Pulls - Action Comics; Batman; Hal Jordan & the GLC; Superman; Wonder Woman
Marvel Pulls - Captain America: Steve Rogers; The Mighty Thor
Non-Big Two Pulls - Saga; Archie
Marvel went too hard in the direction of change - what that change was or to doesnt really matter - what matters is they went in hard on changing many of their key heroes (or the odd fringe hero that has a loud but small base) and isolated many fans who didnt wan't to read about the new character, not because of any prejudices, but because they simply weren't the characters they wanted to read.
Sometimes change is good, sometimes change is bad - but what matters is that when you bring in the change, you do all you can to keep everyone happy. Not just chuck stuff at a wall, see what sticks, and tell anyone criticising that they are the ones with the problem.
I will raise my throne above the Stars of God
So as someone who does buy diverse books, like Blue Beetle and New X-Men, and also hates the idiotic SJW pandering Marvel is currently obsessed with, am i allowed to complain?
Cyclops was right
Yes, the comic companies need a younger audience to sustain readership. But they should make it more affordable. High school students have more important things to spend money on than a comic book.
Again I know there`s a cheaper way by subscribing to Marvel Unlimited and maybe they are doing that. But for the average teen whom Marvel is targeting $4 is a lot of money for floppies.
For my money, all the new diverse characters were the best thing that has ever happened to Marvel.
Not BECAUSE they're diverse, though that's good too, but because they're great characters.
I've been a DC loyalist for decades, and part of the reason I never really cared about the MCU, was because the characters did nothing for me. But all of the new characters? No, they're not ALL great, but I prefer the vast majority of them to their classic counterparts.
Hell, this is the first time in my life I'm actually reading some Marvel books AS they come out. It's still only 3 because on the whole, I still prefer DC by a mile, but I'm absolutely loving Ms. Marvel, Champions, and ESPECIALLY Unbeatable Squirrel Girl.
Obviously I have a different perspective than most of you, but for my money, these new characters are the ones that I care about and am invested in.
World's Biggest Cassandra Cain Fan
I mentioned this in another thread .... for me, Marvel Unlimited is perfect. I dropped out of Marvel at the start of Secret Wars for a variety of reasons, I've been a collector since '79. I got MU and haven't bought 1 new Marvel comic (LCS or digital). I still have a pull list with DC, and in my opinion DC is just simply better right now. I have yet to read any post-Secret War Marvel comics that hold my interest, but I am enjoying reading obscure Marvel titles at MU (60s-90s).
Average sales of DCU comics as of February 2017 is 40,430 with median sales at 37,504 per this article's number crunching. Add in Young Animal, Vertigo and licensed properties, those numbers are gonna go down significantly. I doubt Marvel did much better (if it's even better at all). Given DC had less comics than Marvel while their total estimated unit sales for comics are close, I'm guessing Marvel's average per comic sale is even lower.
Netflix and Amazon can afford to produce their own shows which cost a whole lot more than a comic because of volume. Netflix is nearing 100 million subscribers while Amazon has, last I saw, 50-60 million Prime subscribers. I don't expect to see anywhere near those numbers for comics but to me, it seems unfathomable that they couldn't even reach at least 500K subscribers world wide.
Superman, Action Comics, Superwoman, Super Sons, Detective Comics, Batman, Nightwing, Batwoman, Red Hood and the Outlaws, Deathstroke, Teen Titans, Titans, Trinity, Flash, Harley Quinn, Wild Storm, Monstress, I Hate Fairyland, Black Monday Murders, Kill Or Be Killed, Old Guard, Astonishing X-Men, Hawkeye, Black Widow, Elektra, Gamora, Thunderbolts, American Gods, Animosity, Black Eyed Kids, Red Sonja, Nancy Drew, X-O Manowar
I know this board has a wide variety of fans, spanning old collectors to new fans of the last couple of years ... LCS don't have the traffic they once had in my opinion. I have my pull list at Meltdown, they are doing fine because they are world famous shop, but my last 3 LCS shops here in LA are gone. I would hate to see the end of LCS, I worked at 2 while in high school and college, and I feel the fans will miss having those places around. For all the great indie comics and publishing houses, LCS are dominated by DC and Marvel. If those 2 giants are not doing well then the entire industry suffers.
I hate mention another website here but bleeding cool does publish comic shop owner articles about the business and they are interesting reads.
Maybe Marvel should give us 30 pages comics. 22 pages is just too short. Even independent comics up to nearly 40 pages at the same price
"Lightning, deliver this place from darkness." - Storm in X-men TAS.
You should read The Unbeatable Squirrel Girl solo, X-men Gold, Ta-Nehisi Coates' Black Panther solo, Black Panther And The Crew and Black Panther: World of Wakanda
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Faves: Ororo Munroe aka Storm (Marvel), X (Dark Horse), Vincent Van Goat (Valiant), Superboy Prime (DC), Ingrid (Street Fighter), Celine Dion (Music)