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Making Magneto their father caused a lot of headaches with the ages of Pietro and Wanda. Magneto being a Holocaust survivor pegs his age permanently with the WWII era. His bio gives his birth in the 1920's on Marvel and a fan site pegs it at 1928. After being in Nazi concentration camps at the same time, Eric and his childhood friend Magda escape in 1944. They marry and have 3 children. The first child Anya dies in a fire and she leaves her husband in fear after witnessing Magneto using his powers attack some villagers who prevented him from saving Anya. This would probably be in the late 1940s or early 1950s in the Marvel Universe. You have a hard time applying the sliding timeline (where it's always set to be about 10 to 13 years after the Fantastic Four's space flight) to Wanda and Pietro because of Magneto's timeline.
except with a new canon mother in the form of Natalya Maximoff it is easier to apply the sliding timescale with Magneto as the father.
Well, obviously he was because he suddenly was an Avenger, and kept a whole bunch of his pre-1945 history....and he wasn't even part of the MU.
Welp, you didn't have wolverine, period. And only one X-Men book.Since he brought him into "The Marvel Age" of comics, things have occasionally gotten bogged down with continuity, but usually things at least made sense. In the early days, if someone showed up as a guest star in someone else's book that month, it would be acknowledged in the other comic. When the MU got too big, this was no longer possible obviously, but at least you didn't have Wolverine in space, fighting Juggernaut at the mansion, and brainwashed in Madripoor all in the same month.
This is less a factor of the MU getting too big, and more of certain characters getting too big for one book.
Writers have always been doing this. Sometimes it sticks, sometimes it doesn't.With all the big events, one after another, things have just gotten out of hand, and I understand why, I just wish characters' personalities and most of their backstories at least remained consistent. Bendis is bad for this, because he changes the character to fit whatever story he's telling.
Pietro and Wanda did not start out as Magneto's kids back in the 60's. That was a retcon.When Marvel changed Pietro and Wanda's parentage just because of the movies, it changed the way I look at the stories I enjoyed about them as a kid, and it really bugs me.
You mean taking a lot of your fun out of it. All it does for me is make me drop books if it gets too bad.I agree sometimes it's best to have the books stand on their own and let them tell their own stories, but by never acknowledging that the characters are in a shared universe, you're taking a lot of the fun out of the stories.
When I buy a Spider-Woman comic, I there are no words to describe how little I want to read about the Avengers' latest event.
So this Zealot comes to my door, all glazed eyes and clean reproductive organs, asking me if I ever think about God. So I tell him I killed God. I tracked God down like a rabid dog, hacked off his legs with a hedge trimmer, and boiled off his corpse in an acid bath. So he pulls an alternating-current taser on me and tells me that only the Official Serbian Church of Tesla can save my polyphase intrinsic electric field, known to non-engineers as "the soul". So I hit him. What would you do?
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Oh, they're serious. Brevoort (whose office did not do the Scarlet Witch book) defended it pretty vigorously on his Tumblr, and even the Scarlet Witch series had a scene where she tells a phantom Magneto "I'm not your daughter! I never was!"
I'd be fine if they restored it and wiped out this retcon; I don't mind them not being Magneto's children, but saying they're something other than mutants is silly. (Though a writer could do something with that - like, if they've lived as mutants all their lives, then how are they not real mutants? - but I don't think writers are interested enough in the twins to do that story.) But I don't think it's going to happen. The teaser about Wanda's real father was a hook that could be used in case she ever gets another book, or if a writer wants to use it someday.
They aren't changing their origin to what it was before Axis because Secret Wars happened and the universe is different now. It is possible that Magneto is father of the Maximoffs, but Magda is not their mother. They weren't born on Mount Wundagore in the 1950s, they were born in Serbia at the time of the Yugoslavian Civil War. If you want Magneto to be their father, you need to show us what Magneto was doing in the early 1990s.
I don't think we can assume Secret Wars changed anything unless we're specifically told it did. It really was not any kind of a continuity reboot. I mean, they knew Secret Wars was coming when they assigned Remender to retcon their origins, but they obviously intended this retcon to last beyond Secret Wars, just as most Marvel continuity remains the same after Secret Wars.
Yeah, Cap was part of Timely comics, not Marvel. Same owner, different company. Stan decided to revive him and Namor, and some others, but that was sort of like DC acquiring the Charlton characters and assimilating them into the DCU, except because of Martin Goodman owning the rights, they didn't have to buy anyone out. Of course there was no Wolverine, that was my whole "when the MU got too big" point. Writers have not always done this. Hawkeye was portrayed in the same way for decades until all of a sudden he became a killer. I know Wanda and Pietro were not always his kids, but they were tied to him from the beginning, and it made sense story wise when it came out. I agree most of the time a book should be insular and not have to tie in with events, but an occasional guest star like DD in a Spider-Man book is fun, and makes sense.
I suppose that it's posible that just as the Fox movies have Anya and Pietro have different mothers, then Magda never had the twins, just Anya.
But i hope not, because Ultimate Magda Lensherr, the Witch of Wundagore,IS the blatantly obvious template for this new Secret Scarlet Witch Senior, Natalya Maximoff.
And it would be a waste to lose the Twins biological connection to Ultimate Wolverine Jr. being their younger half-brother on their mother's side. Ultimate Magneto got literally cuckolded by Ultimate Wolverine, heh, which could explain why he grew to hate all humans, especially the Twins mother.
Amusingly enough though, Mark Millar originally had the name of the Ultimate Twin's mother be Isabelle and wanted to base her on a non-Gypsy dead scientist girlfriend of Magneto in Marvel-616 who was killed by Hydra, but Jeph Loeb just retconned that and made her consistent with Marvel-616.
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Wolverine first appeared in 1974, became an X-Man in 1975, and got an ongoing title in 1988. So his first year was as a guest star. Then he spent 13 years as a regular character in the X-Men with occasional guest appearances in other titles. But since 1988, he has been a regular in multiple titles. That's 29 years so far. That means for about 2/3's of his publication history he's been doing exactly what you said didn't happen until until recently. I'm willing to bet that is longer than most posters (including the ones complaining about continuity) have been reading comics.
This is not an aberration for his character, it is the norm. If people complain about it now, then they must not have been paying attention to something that has been standard publishing practices since the 1980's.
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