Well, to be fair, the only thing that the Ultimate universe really had going for it was shock value, so might as well maximize it. And it fits because Ultimate Magneto really was Mutant Hitler, right down to being so obsessed with Eugenics that his children were allowed --- even encouraged --- to become incestuous, that old-fashioned royal inbreeding seen in all ancient cultures.
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The way TPTB at Marvel treat the Maximoff twins is rough. They are eXcluded from all recent Avengers shows (Assemble, Earth's Mightiest Heroes), they're not in any of the games (Disney Infinity, Marvel vs Capcom Infinite), they miss nearly all the recent big events (IvX, CW II only appearing in a tie-in for SW, Secret Wars, Time Runs Out, each of the 3 Avengers titles under Hickman, Original Sin, Fear Itself); although they did make it into AXIS and AvX, and finally their parental status keeps being changed. Altered during AXIS (November 2014), altered again for Uncanny Avengers vol 2 (June 2015), altered a 3rd time during Wanda's ANAD different title (2016). Pietro and Wanda have had 3 different moms in 2 almost 3 years now. Hahaha. I wager anything they'll get a new mom sometime this year as well.
And all for what? The twins weren't big draws before the retcons or before their debut in the MCU. What was the point of all this?
It be different if Brevoort or whoever wanted this to happen was actually building a story on this, but that's not happening. We're literally going in circles and downright neglecting the Maximoffs from the wider MU. Wanda shakes out a little better than Pietro, because the power creep and fill in the blank nature of Wanda's powers have taken in the last 2 decades or so. Whatever the plot demands, Wanda somehow can change it to the heroes benefit. There have been multiple Flashes at DC and they all have great runs under various writers, but Pietro... He's like a companion piece to Wanda nowadays.
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Unless Marvel and DC can catch the attention of the modern reader they are destined to repeat the problems they had in the nineties by selling only to the people they already sell to and driving the market into a smaller and smaller niche. Only this time, other sectors will happily move in and take their market share. The biggest growing sector in comic readership is females between 17 and 33. They are not nostalgic for a day when most female characters were expressing themselves in thought bubbles about how the lead male is ignoring their purely visual charms. If your local comic shop isn't seeing this demographic in their store they are leaving money on the table because those people are buying somewhere else instead.
If we had Stan style character crossovers today nobody would be applauding. In the light of modern comics they are almost all awful. Characterisation was inconsistent, the meetings were often contrived and the overall effect is just clunky. I am working my way through early X-Men comics and appearances (slowly) and my heart sinks whenever I have the choice of following a crossover because unless it is the same writer it will be pointless at best. By the time we get past about 1978 the pointers and cross-referencing gets very inconsistent. It was a lot easier when they only had a few titles. No matter how well-read and appreciated the back catalogue is, these comics are not up to modern standards, we have moved on, we can't go back. We will only ever be able to appreciate them as historic works.
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It's true that Stan controlled the titles because he was scripting and coplotting the majority of them. But that was only because the titles were capped due to a onerous distribution deal. The moment Stan had a better deal, he expanded the titles and brought in other writers.
The large selection of titles means that Marvel can offer up a greater variety to a larger audience. Whether it's a gritty crime comic with the Punisher, a coming of age story of Ms. Marvel, a family drama like The Vision, or a comedy like Squirrel Girl.
Even in the 60s, there were inconsistencies and errors. Captain America's revival in Avengers #4 ignored his series from the 1950s. The Johnny Storm Human Torch was a new character that took an old character's name and powers and never mentioned what happened to the original for years. Sub-Mariner took a hero from the 1940s and made him into an antagonist that fought other heroes. Bruce Banner became Robert Bruce Banner because Stan wrote the wrong name in one comic.
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Magneto can't be blamed for for the twins multiple turns to evil after they became heroes.
Pietro in the 80s against the FF, WCA, Avengers and Inhumans. Later retconned to be under the influence of Maximus.
Wanda's mental breakdown and turn to evil in the 80s against the Avengers. Later revealed to be Immortus' doing.
Wanda's mental breakdown and turn to evil during Disassembled/New Avengers. Retconing the above story and Wanda never really dealing with losing her figment children. This whole thing being retconned during Children's Crusade to be the work of Dr. Doom.
Wanda's turn to evil during AXIS, when she struck down her "family".
The personal relationships of the twins.
Quicksilver not being liked by his fellow Avengers. I remember Jan and Jennifer saying they thought he was creepy . As well as, QS having no real guy friends on the team. Pietro being an absent father and a failed husband. Also, being persona non grata with the Inhumans after what he did during Son of M.
The sour grapes and bruised feelings Wanda has created among the Avengers with her past attacks. Her love life being rocky with both Vision and Wonder Man. The confusing nature of her relationship with her sons.
Now, I know the twins are fictional characters, but just listing and typing this all out, you really get sense that TPTB/TPTW really set out to make the Maximoffs lives miserable. And that misery needs and in-universe antagonist. Someone to blame for their troubles. And that someone has been Magneto for decades.
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Sometimes I think the only good writers Wanda and Pietro had was Stan. I did like James Robinson's Scarlet Witch series too.