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    Default Wonder Woman (Gadot) vs Spider-Man (Holland)

    (looks around) Since this does not seem to have come up....

    1) Bloodlusted, no information, 100 yard distance, arena. He get's Stark-tech suit w. F.R.I.D.A.Y. on line and she gets all her weapons.

    2) Friendly sparring, full information, 100 yard starting distance, large abandoned warehouse. He has his home-made suit and she has her choice of shield, sword, or lasso.

    3) They sit and chat.

    4) She does not quite get the age thing and tries to court him. *ducks*

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    Gadot Wonder Woman is ridiculously faster, stronger and more durable (despite Holland being no slouch in any of these departments). WW's feats make it questionable if the MCU Avengers put together could take her, let alone a mid-tier rookie like Holland. Holland's just outclassed here, and not even fighting in his favored New York environment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by heretic View Post
    (looks around) Since this does not seem to have come up....

    1) Bloodlusted, no information, 100 yard distance, arena. He get's Stark-tech suit w. F.R.I.D.A.Y. on line and she gets all her weapons.

    2) Friendly sparring, full information, 100 yard starting distance, large abandoned warehouse. He has his home-made suit and she has her choice of shield, sword, or lasso.

    3) They sit and chat.

    4) She does not quite get the age thing and tries to court him. *ducks*
    1. It hasn't come up since it's a curbstomp win for WW.

    2. Obviously, in this case, she will spar at his level so he can get some practice in.

    3. I have not seen either movie yet but I've seen B vs S and Cap Civil War. Based on those, she seems calm and thoughtful while he seems hyper and a motormouth. I picture him constantly interrupting her as something she says makes him think of something and sends him off into left field while she calmly stirs the conversation back on track.

    4. No idea. I haven't seen either of them in a romantic situation yet.
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    Yeah as far as the fights go, the gap is almost as big as the gap between the characters in the comics.

    One's street/low-mid-tier, the other's a damn big gun. Gadot's Wonder Woman is faster, stronger, more durable, more skilled, more experienced and, to put it simply, just better in every way than MCU Spidey.

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    Stomp for Wondy. Faster, stronger, more durable, more experienced fighter, more experienced with her powers. Despite the movie being good Spidey himself is not that impressive.
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    iv seen lots of stomps in my day its not quite as bad as the famous superman vs darth sidious but jeez.

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    Quote Originally Posted by heretic View Post
    1) Bloodlusted, no information, 100 yard distance, arena. He get's Stark-tech suit w. F.R.I.D.A.Y. on line and she gets all her weapons.
    Oh and Peter named his A.I. "Karen", incidentally. F.R.I.D.A.Y. is Stark's latest Iron Man A.I.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KJS View Post
    Yeah as far as the fights go, the gap is almost as big as the gap between the characters in the comics.

    One's street/low-mid-tier, the other's a damn big gun. Gadot's Wonder Woman is faster, stronger, more durable, more skilled, more experienced and, to put it simply, just better in every way than MCU Spidey.
    The gap is nowhere close to the comics. Post crisis WW is a solid class 100 with near light reflexes and speed. Comic Spiderman is a class 20 at best and a high end bullet timer.

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    And again, we have people RIDICULOUSLY overstating Wonder Woman's speed. Guys, she's not a speedster or anything, neither in travel speed, nor in reaction speed. She's low-grade BT, with numerous feats less than that and nothing higher. Her very best feat is deflecting WW2 small arms fire with her bracelets - bracelets which are likely somewhat magical, given the shielding effects they do in both WW and BvS. Her oft-stated blitz of some soldiers is just not that impressive: average german conscript soldiers were moving and reacting to her clearly (if ineffectively), it was just the speedups (affecting both her and the soldiers) that make it look blitzy. Yes, she's faster than the soldiers, considerably so, but our definition here of BT is someone so fast that CBPH gets trivially blitzed. Her blitz of the soldiers, which is her only combat blitz in the movie, isn't CLOSE to that level. Now, her other feats back up low end BT status, sure, but that blitz isn't one of them.

    Now, she is much stronger and much tougher - no doubt there - and likely still faster, and should get the win easily, given that Spidey lacks the tools to take advantage of her big weakness, but seriously, let's stop fluffing her speed like this.

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    She is good at fighting people who are on a much lower level then she is. So i guess she makes it interesting, skill wise ofcourse spidey loses when she is done playing with him.

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    If this is WW from her own movie this would be hilarious as both would be extremely curious about eachother. I feel they would really hit it of, with Peter probably having a crush on her. And Diana liking the kid.

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    Lol...well she is a beautiful amazon and he is a teenage boy, do the math! Though she would not court him lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slade1 View Post
    The gap is nowhere close to the comics. Post crisis WW is a solid class 100 with near light reflexes and speed. Comic Spiderman is a class 20 at best and a high end bullet timer.
    It was a hyperbolic statement that didn't remotely affect the outcome.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KJS View Post
    It was a hyperbolic statement that didn't remotely affect the outcome.
    No it doesn't change the outcome of the fight (and never said it did). Just pointing it out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by big_adventure View Post
    And again, we have people RIDICULOUSLY overstating Wonder Woman's speed. Guys, she's not a speedster or anything, neither in travel speed, nor in reaction speed. She's low-grade BT, with numerous feats less than that and nothing higher. Her very best feat is deflecting WW2 small arms fire with her bracelets - bracelets which are likely somewhat magical, given the shielding effects they do in both WW and BvS. Her oft-stated blitz of some soldiers is just not that impressive: average german conscript soldiers were moving and reacting to her clearly (if ineffectively), it was just the speedups (affecting both her and the soldiers) that make it look blitzy. Yes, she's faster than the soldiers, considerably so, but our definition here of BT is someone so fast that CBPH gets trivially blitzed. Her blitz of the soldiers, which is her only combat blitz in the movie, isn't CLOSE to that level. Now, her other feats back up low end BT status, sure, but that blitz isn't one of them.

    Now, she is much stronger and much tougher - no doubt there - and likely still faster, and should get the win easily, given that Spidey lacks the tools to take advantage of her big weakness, but seriously, let's stop fluffing her speed like this.
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    Folks seem to be postulating a punch fest. If she closes with the sword, that's it for him. Each hit is debilitating or lethal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by big_adventure View Post
    And again, we have people RIDICULOUSLY overstating Wonder Woman's speed. Guys, she's not a speedster or anything, neither in travel speed, nor in reaction speed. She's low-grade BT, with numerous feats less than that and nothing higher. Her very best feat is deflecting WW2 small arms fire with her bracelets - bracelets which are likely somewhat magical, given the shielding effects they do in both WW and BvS. Her oft-stated blitz of some soldiers is just not that impressive: average german conscript soldiers were moving and reacting to her clearly (if ineffectively), it was just the speedups (affecting both her and the soldiers) that make it look blitzy. Yes, she's faster than the soldiers, considerably so, but our definition here of BT is someone so fast that CBPH gets trivially blitzed. Her blitz of the soldiers, which is her only combat blitz in the movie, isn't CLOSE to that level. Now, her other feats back up low end BT status, sure, but that blitz isn't one of them.

    Now, she is much stronger and much tougher - no doubt there - and likely still faster, and should get the win easily, given that Spidey lacks the tools to take advantage of her big weakness, but seriously, let's stop fluffing her speed like this.
    Why are you lowballing Wonder Woman's feats by treating her fight against World War 1 soldiers, a fight where she was still a neophyte discovering the extent of her powers, as if it were her general operating level? Wonder Woman's feats include her fight with Doomsday and Ares, where she demonstrates speed far in excess of what Spider-Man is capable of. Is she an outright turn on a dime speedster like quicksilver? No. But she's damn fast.

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